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Gender Question

Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:06 pm

Hi all!
I live in NZ and this is my first post.
I bought two froglets in March, love them to bits!
I believe they are Golden Bell frogs.
I'm not a hundred percent as they were just sold as "froglets".
They are about 1 1/2 inch long and have all the indentifying markers of Golden Bell frogs.
Anyway....
I'm having trouble deciding what their genders are!
I have no idea what the main differences between the genders are and can't find anything on the net to help.
Can anyone help me?

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Postby GrantW » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:18 pm

Males have nuptial pads (dark black pads) on their hands and they have a darker throat. Males also call while females do not. Pics can help, this topic has been discussed in some deatil before, a search may reveal more.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:26 pm

Thanks Grant!

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:36 pm

I read on one topic that males get aggressive if there is only one female to two males.
What if there is one male to two females?
Would it be as bad?

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Postby GrantW » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:37 pm

It should be alright, males are normally only territorial with each other.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:38 pm

Um this is going to sound silly.....

how do I go about posting pictures?

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Postby GrantW » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:40 pm

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That part, browse for the image and click add atachment.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:14 pm

Hahaha must be a male thing!
What was I thinking...of course one male with two females should be JUST fine!

First I gotta figure out what gender my froglets are!
How old do they have to be in order to tell gender?

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:15 pm

I'm about to give the picture posting a try

So there isn't any difference between the female and male markings?
Its just one of mine is a medium brown back with striking green lines whereas the other one is a more light caramel colour with green dots.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:36 pm

Okay I seem to have trouble uploading them
May I take up your offer Chris_D

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:46 pm

Thanks Chris I appreciate it
I'm new at this - or as it says here - spawn!

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:04 pm

Thanks Chris!
The pics look great. Your a legend!

The first two pics are of the caramel frog with green spots
The last two are of the more excitable darker frog with green lines

I have to say the darker one is my favourite only because he's friendlier. The caramel one is shyer and tends to hide

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Postby Evan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:08 pm

They are Green and Golden Bell Frogs (Litoria aurea), though one seems a bit warty, which is pretty common in NZ.

At that age, it would be pretty impossible to determine the sex, unless the male calls (or gets nuptial pads, which is always possible). You'll probably have to wait until next year.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:18 pm

Thanks Evan!
I didn't notice one was warty. They both have ridges down the sides of their backs. How could you tell?

I've just realised how much I don't know about my frogs

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Postby Evan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:23 pm

I can't really tell they are warty, but I can easily see the ridges on the photo (usually ridges are associated with some warts).

I don't think I've ever seen a wild GGBF with ridges or warts, it is usually only in L. raniformis. However, there seems to have been some hybridisation occuring in NZ which didn't occur in Australia to a large extent, and won't be occuring since their decline.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:32 pm

Yes I noticed that they appear classed as endangered
Thats why I was a little dubious to if they were actually GGBF's

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:44 pm

Thanks Chris
I feel quite proud of my little froggies now
hahaha!

How many frogs do you have?

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Postby Evan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:44 pm

helen101 wrote:Yes I noticed that they appear classed as endangered
Thats why I was a little dubious to if they were actually GGBF's


They are probably more common in NZ than they are in Australia, even though they are native to Aus. Chytrid has severely impacted them in Australia. They used to be the most common tree frog around, but now they are quite rare.

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:48 pm

Well what can I say!
Us kiwis across the ditch like to help our neighbours :)
I guess starting with the native frog life is one way
Though dare I say
The GGBF is more attractive than the native frogs over here

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:08 pm

Wow!
I'm hoping to expand mine at some point but that won't be for another year or two.
I'm hoping for some of the more exotic kinds like the darts but I'm going to wait until I have the resources and the knowledge.

My two froggies are in a way a trial run

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Postby Evan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:16 pm

I didn't think you could get darts in NZ?

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:52 pm

Oh really???
Well there you go
I still have to learn things
Thats why its a year or two away :)

But regardless
I still would like to expand my frog family

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:17 pm

How old is he?

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Postby Evan » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:21 pm

Wow, 20cm! That's one huge frog. :P

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Postby helen101 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:27 pm

I just pulled my ruler out and thought WOW!
Are you sure its 20cm Chris?
Mine are about 2 inches I reckon
I may have females then
I haven't heard anything from then yet and its half past midnight


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